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Epson R3800 R3880 Refill Cartridges


Has anyone any first hand experience in using refill cartridges for the Epson R3800 / R3880.

I have been doing some extensive research into the characteristics of Pigment ink especially the gloss factor and also the cost effectiveness of using refill cartridges.

I am not talking about using NON OEM ink, just refill carts.

The idea is to harvest OEM ink and use it in the refill carts.

As an example, an OEM cart 80ml costs roughly £40 but I have seen 220ml OEM carts for as little as £28 so in theory, you could nearly fill an 80ml cart X3 times for £20 as a-pose to £120.



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Re: Epson R3800 R3880 Refill Cartridges


interesting idea Ian

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interesting idea Ian



The main issues with non OEM is nozzle blocking.

Raw pigment is irregular in shape and has sharp edges It is prone to being abrasive regardless of the suspension material and is also super prone to packing tightly with its companions when it settles.

it takes very little for these irregular particles to pack together into an unbreakable clump. these clumps can and do also pack together and form a mass large enough to block a nozzle.

According to my research, OEM inks are encapsulated which means the pigments never clash.

So for this reason and Gloss reasons in the Magenta, I feel it is best to stay with OEM unless the 3rd party manufacturer can guarantee their inks are encapsulated and the only manufacturer I can find to guarantee this is Jon Cone.

For cost effectiveness, harvesting to me is the way to go.

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Cone Refill Carts and Ink on its way for me to test.

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that'll be interesting __so did you convert your 3880 to the cone system Ian?

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that'll be interesting __so did you convert your 3880 to the cone system Ian?



I am going to try one cartridge first to see how it performs. I have chosen the PK black and refill cartridge.

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let us j=know how you get on? emoticon

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The PK ConeColor Ink arrived this morning along with a refillable cartridge.

The bottle contains 220ml of Photo Black encapsulated pigment ink.

According to John Cone. it's the encapsulation that makes this brand stand out from the rest as the encapsulation prevents the pigments from sticking together which in turn can lead to blocked nozzles.

Setting up the cartridge
All I needed to do was remove the chip from a used PK OEM cart and place it under the Auto Reset Chip which is attached to the refillable cartridge. Very easy process and took only a matter of seconds.

Refilling The Cartridge
Never attempted this before so was not sure what to expect. I removed the fill plug, drew 60ml of ink into the provided syringe and filled the bottle. I then drew a further 10ml and repeated the step.

After refitting the fill plug, I then removed the primer plug, and drew the air out with the supplied syringe and then replaced the primer plug. This process only has to be done the one time.

Last step was to remove and discard the pressure plug which is coloured orange.

Inserting The Cartridge
Inserting the cartridge is just the same as inserting an OEM cartridge. The refill cart slides in and out with ease causing no issues.

Turning On The Printer
After turning on the printer, the cartridge was recognised the first time.

Nozzle Check
I printed a nozzle check and did notice a couple of broken lines. I should have done this before inserting the refill cart to compare.

I performed one head cleaning cycle, re printed the nozzle check and it was clear.

Test Print
I did an initial test print and the results were very welcoming. Nice rich blacks and good results.

I have done a further 18 prints ranging from A4 down to 6x4 and no issues at all.

Blunders
Through out the entire operation, I only made one blunder, well 2 if you count not doing a nozzle check before changing over the cartridge.

The main blunder (user excitement error) was that during filling the cartridge, when I removed the syringe, I forgot to take my finger off the plunger and... well you can imagine what I said as the syringe needle left the cartridge and squirted some remanent ink into the bathroom sink.

Conclusion
Early days yet but so far I am very pleased with the overall procedure and results from the prints I have done.

Cost
An 80ml OEM cartridge for the R3800/R3880 cost in the region of £35 = 34p per ml

A 220ml bottle of Cone Ink costs in the region of £36 = 16p per ml


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Interesting read, Ian, and similar set up to what I had to do with my refil carts.
Does the refil cart always show as being full or does it show its true level as the cart [sign in to see URL] always show full so I have to check manually every so often and do a nozzle check every 2 weeks to check out for blockages, fortunately, none so far with none pigment inks
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After a day of printing, the status level on the printer has dropped from 100% to 98% so I am guessing that chips on the carts are actually registering ink usage


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